Smash the English Defence League
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 07:29
The EDL have been very keen on distancing themselves from more overt fascists organisations such as the British National Party (BNP) and have made several unconvincing gestures to show that they aren't racists or fascists. Upon joining their forums for example you are greeted with the message “The EDL will not tolerate any racist or Islamaphobic behaviour on this forum.”, in a similar token gesture, they can often be found marching comfortably with Israeli and even Jamaican flags alongside the usual barrage of Union Jacks, Ulster flags and such you can expect to find on a nationalist demonstration. All these gestures of course, would be much more convincing if they didn't have the very same politics of the fascists.
Recently EDL ring-leader (or should that read 'zoo-keeper'?) Paul Ray made it clear what the EDL's true intentions are when he spoke of their “opposition to all Muslims practising their faith in Britain”, he then went on to confess that the street demonstrations taking place around the UK were not aimed exclusively against extremist Islam, but all practising Muslims. This is not the first time Ray has spoken out against Muslims however, having appeared earlier on American radio speaking of his opposition to “paki-muslims” - a phrase he chooses not to use when speaking on behalf of the EDL.
Fascists have long been known for their complete lack of intelligence, and in true form the EDL are no different. Despite their denial of their links to fascism, their nazi-salutes at demo's, their attacks on anti-fascist campaigners and their chants of “no more mosques” suggest differently, their non-racist claims have none of us fooled. And as if further proof were needed of the EDL's fascist roots, their web designer is non other than BNP activist Chris Renton. But even if this were not the case, a group dedicated to defending Britain as a beacon of Christian values, demonising all Muslims as extremists is a group that deserves to be met head on.
What is striking about the whole affair, is as quick as the EDL were to distance themselves from the BNP, the BNP were similarly quick to distance themselves from the EDL. This 'we're not racist we just hate Muslims' approach is however, fitting with the long-term BNP strategy of watering down their fascism for popularist gain. In 2000 for example BNP leader Nick Griffin met with infamous white-supremacist and former leader of the Ku Klux Klan David Duke and lay out this strategy thus:
“…Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle we’ve got ourselves in a position where we control the British broadcasting media, then perhaps one day the British people might change their mind and say, “Yes, every last one must go.” Perhaps they will one day, but if you offer that as your sole aim to start with, you’re gonna get absolutely nowhere. So, instead of talking about racial purity, we talk about identity.”
Griffin also talked about the need for fascists to establish organisations that moved away from Jew-bashing and holocaust denial and instead focus on attacking Muslims, because as he so aptly put it:
“The proper enemy to any political movement isn’t necessarily the most evil and the worst. The proper enemy is the one we can most easily defeat.”
In a climate of war-driven hysteria about Muslims, where the bigoted racism of the BNP is being echoed by the mainstream parties in order to justify ever harsher detention and immigration controls, gloss over police racism and legitimatise their many Middle Eastern wars, it is no surprise the fascists of the EDL feel confident enough to march through the streets.
The 'National Tour' of the EDL so far may not have come to an area near you. But we in the Anarchist Federation urge all our comrades to go out and meet these thugs head on when they do, the experience so far has been that when anti-fascists stand toe to toe with these scum, we win. Fascism deserves nothing less than direct confrontation and where they mobilise we must be there to let racists everywhere know that splitting our communities up, driving Muslims against non-Muslims or whites against Asians isn't acceptable and we won't sit back and watch them preach their hate unchallenged.
Some in the anti-fascist movement have been quick to call on the police and local councils to ban these marches and urged letter writing campaigns. This liberalism however is not the approach of genuine anti-fascists, because we recognise that asking the state to protect us is asking the machine responsible for the rise of fascism, to help protect us from the monster it has created. Moreover asking the state to 'ban' racism in the form of fascists marching does little to tackle genuine issues many working people have with political Islam. All anti-fascists should mobilise against fascism in our streets and couple this with a message that immigrants, Muslims and all other scapegoated sections of society, should not be blamed for the short-comings of capitalism.
EDL have announced plans for upcoming demonstrations in the following cities:
Manchester:
October 10th, City Centre.
Leeds:
October 31st, City Centre, 1pm.
The EDL will no doubt be planning more future demonstrations, keep an eye out for updates on their website and we encourage all anti-fascists to make it clear we won't accept racism wherever and whenever it rears it's ugly head.
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2009-10-15 11:40:20 |139.222.194.xxx| Anonymous
Why are the EDL or in fact any nationalist group so angry?
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fuckyou wrote:fuck you
LOL at the voice of white people oppressed by the existence of non-white people.When is it that the "English Defence League" are coming to Scotland?
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2009-09-27 04:09:42 |202.134.252.xxx| 14/88 - Foolishness
Do you seriously think that extremist muslims are going to help the anarchist cause in any way?
You need to get your priorities straight.
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2009-09-28 11:59:25 |143.167.202.xxx| Pola - re: Foolishness14/88 wrote:Do you seriously think that extremist muslims are going to help the anarchist cause in any way?
You need to get your priorities straight.N ot at all, but neither are nationalists and idiots who value the piece of dirt that their mums happened to have spread their legs upon.
The difference is that when we talk of Islam, we mean Islam as in the religion, whereas the far right like to use "Islam" as a synonym for "Asian", "immigrants", or anyone who isn't white. Anarchists oppose nationalism as well as Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and all other religions and spiritual practices.
Also LOLFASH.
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2009-09-30 12:09:01 |94.197.10.xxx| infidel - ideological differences
why is anyone who opposes islam labelled a fascist?surely being opposed to the sick twisted ideology that passes itself of as a religion is showing democratic principles.does being opposed to legalised child molesting,public stoning to death of women,judicial limb amputation etc make me a fascist?only blind fanatics and those ignorant of islam would attempt to defend it.try looking in the decline and fall of the roman empire in order to obtain a true picture of the arabian paedophile and the murderous ideology he spawned
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2009-09-30 13:46:54 |143.167.201.xxx| Pola - re: ideological differencesinfidel wrote:why is anyone who opposes islam labelled a fascist?surely being opposed to the sick twisted ideology that passes itself of as a religion is showing democratic principles.
They're not, the Anarchist Federation opposes Islam, as it opposes every religion for being sick and twisted, as well as oppressive, authoritarian and dominating.The difference is that groups, such as the EDL (which was founded by a BNP member, whose members regularly sieg hail on marches, inviting BNP councillors to attend marches, shouting racist slogans such as "fucking pakis" and is also made up of racist football firms), and the BNP, when they mention "Islam" do not do so in a religious manner, but use it as a synonym for "Asians" or "Africans" or people from the Middle East.
Their opposition to "Islam" is really a cover up for their opposition for all non-white humans.
Quote:< /b>does being opposed to legalised child molesting,public stoning to death of women,judicial limb amputation etc make me a fascist?Would you oppose Christianity for the same reasons? Or is Christianity such a beautiful, civilised Western idea? If you think the latter, you better read that big book again, it's full of shit worse than the Qu'ran, not saying that the Qu'ran isn't full of shit itself.
Also, on the comment about the decline of the Roman empire, and somehow linking that to "Arabic paedophiles", you really need to read more, if you didn't know, Ancient Roman society was more homoerotic and 'paedophilic' than most other societies to have existed on Earth.
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2009-09-30 18:58:57 |94.197.114.xxx| infidel
see decline and fall of the roman empire (gibbon)then make a comment based on its content rather than assuming.I do not recall advocating christianity or any other religionideology so dont put words in my mouth .as to the arabian paedophile ,history records him consumatng his marriage to a nine yaer old girl (aisha)when he was in his fifties.thats why I call him a paedophile.
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Pola wrote:Anarchi sts oppose nationalism as well as Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and all other religions and spiritual practices.
Depends on the anarchist.
http://eng.anarchopedi a.org/Christian_anarchism
And apart from those, I'm sure there are others who propose religious permissiveness.
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2009-10-07 19:16:28 |86.16.93.xxx| Joe - Calling the EDL fascist racists is such a weak arg
2 people attended the birmingham demo and gave hitler signs they were dealt with. In Brum Muslim extremist members of the UAF were burning the union jack? So do I say all the UAF as violent and anti british?
Just because two ediots do that does not mean the organisation is facist or racist. It has black members and would have many more if the press and UAF stopped spreading the same kind of bullshit you are.
Website not set up by Chris renton either - another lie - check your facts out you muppet.
Look at the website www.englishdefenceleague. org and look at the video of the burning of the nazi flag - in that video about half the members are black - funny looking facists!
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2009-10-07 20:58:07 |150.204.74.xxx| C
because of course black people couldnt be facists as well could they...
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2009-10-08 11:31:11 |80.41.40.xxx| D
''Website not set up by Chris renton either - another lie - check your facts out you muppet.''
yes it was, until you took it down and put it up again in Kelways name.
Get to fuck you sad shit
You're really not as clever as you think you are. The seig heilers weren't dealt with at all. Maybe Ratface, but the other guy is a well a part of your mob.....
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2009-10-10 09:53:33 |81.97.63.xxx| dave smith
right then i think well alll agree when i say that the only way to stop these narrow minded tossers is to go out onto the streets and fight them
SMASH THE FASH!!!!
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2009-10-11 12:00:26 |81.109.54.xxx| zargos - curious
when you see video's of kill those who abuse believe in allah an all that . nothing is done ?? . when you get protest with no death threats you face being arrested . please explain
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2009-10-11 18:33:22 |82.36.205.xxx| vinay
The ENGLISH DEFENCE LEAUGE ARE NOT RACISTS THEY ARE JUST HATE ANTI ISLAMIC EXTREMISM AS ANY SANE PERSON SHOULD!
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2009-10-15 23:36:58 |84.68.36.xxx| Anonymous
"THEY ARE JUST HATE ANTI ISLAMIC EXTREMISM".
So, the EDL hate people who are against Islamic extremists? Interesting to know, thanks!
Anyway - if what you meant is that they aren't racists and "just hate islamic extremism", i wonder how you'd explain the fascist salutes, and the "we hate pakis more than you" chants, etc?
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2009-10-12 08:36:09 | jhaaglund - re: curiouszargos wrote:when you see video's of kill those who abuse believe in allah an all that . nothing is done ??
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2009-10-14 13:25:16 |92.41.19.xxx| infidel - terrorist sympathisers
the reason they get away with it is because we are a nation of terrorist sympathisers,just like the deluded fools who set up this website.This atttitude seems to be encouraged by the government who imported terrorists without the consent of the people.No government has ever asked the people if its ok to flood the country with muslim terrorists .any ideology that exhorts its followers to kill everyone who doesn't agree with it is a terrorist ideology .can someone tell me why this democratically elected government whose first duty is to protect its populace ,imported all these terrorists to kill the people its supposed to protect
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2009-10-16 00:27:02 |84.68.36.xxx| Anonymous
There is so much wrong with your post that im tempted to go to import-a-terrorist.com and "import a terrorist" to deal with you.
Idiot.
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2009-10-16 07:13:40 |92.41.153.xxx| infidel
I've already got a life,definitely not been blown to bits yet.keep your fingers crossed .try looking up the estimate from the international institute for strategic studies as to how many non muslims were killed by muslims during the 20th century . 100 000 000 by their estimate.no way do I underestimate the dangers of the muslim ideology.ps please try to make an intelligent comment without resorting to abuse
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2009-10-16 21:48:09 |84.68.36.xxx| Anonymous
"try to make an intelligent comment "
e.g. "teh governmentz is importing teh terrorists lulz"?
You got a link to that article? Or doesn't it exist? Because im not wasting my time searching for articles that dont exist.
And learn how to type properly - it isn't difficult and it'll make your conspiracy ramblings easier to read, though sadly for you it wont make them the slightest bit easier to believe.
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2009-10-17 11:34:35 |94.197.124.xxx| infidel
if you're using two hands to type you,ve got me at a disadvantage.try it one handed. anyway if you want to see an article that says there is no mandate for multiculuralism I can't show you one because there isn't one.
one way to end disageements would be to have a referendum.a democratic way of solving the issue once and for all.Its not an unreasonable thing to ask in a democracy is it.Perhaps it's too radical for a democratically elected government to reflect the will of the people
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2009-10-22 23:01:57 |92.11.113.xxx| bob
its white and black people actually .
i dont think people are told facts any more , why do people believe 9/11 a conspiracy that was caused by jews this is just as bad as denying the holocaust .however many muslims support the holocaust worldwide= disgusting!!!
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2009-10-22 23:13:47 |78.32.187.xxx| Anonymous
this argument could go on for years the undrelying fact is that political groups like the edl and bnp are the only people who want to make some changes to the way this country is. is every one so blind to see that this country is a shit hole and some thing needs to be done before its to late
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2009-10-26 15:03:07 |92.41.83.xxx| infidel - the indefesible ideology
reasons why islam is not worthy of defence
1 International institute for strategic studies...estimate of number of non muslims killed by muslims during the 20th century...100 000 000 one hundred million...that should help to give lie to the claim islam is peaceful
2 In countries where sharia law is practised the legal age at which girls can marry is nine yes nine.If thats not legalised paedophilia I'll crawl back into my hole.now how come non of those flawless exemplars of moral rectitude called politicians have ever spoken out about that...oil never know.funny that child labour rouses more moral indignation than sex abuse.
3 my opinion here the way women are treated in islam is the closest thing to slavery still extant today
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2009-10-26 20:53:16 |82.43.193.xxx| HenryCase - The "indefesible" ideology indeed
The question isn't whether Islam is worthy of defence. It's whether it's right Muslims are demonised ironically in the name of political Islam. The answer for those of us that aren't degenerate humans, is no.
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2009-10-28 19:37:52 |92.41.126.xxx| infidel
yes its wrong to demonise individuals,but ideologies are another matter.dont conflate the two.I'm not oppposed to the people just the ideoogy they practice.It should not be termed a religion and I think it should not be practised in this country.If you want to find an ideology more right wing than nazism then study islam .Your concern for the people who have no choice but to practice islam is commendable.Im of the opinion that freeing them from the chains of islam would rank alongside the works of wilbeforce in ridding the world of a detestable practice
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2009-10-28 23:47:35 |82.43.193.xxx| HenryCase
The conflation is all on the part of the EDL and knobheads like yourself. We are firmly aware religion is problematic but not just Islam in isolation.
But you obviously don't concur. Because your remark that Islam specifically shouldn't be practised in this country suggests others should. So you pick and choose what singular religion you disagree with, whilst no doubt advocating one like Christianity which isn't exactly known for its pacifism. Very telling.
Religion, and not just a particular one, but all of them are the problem.
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2009-11-02 19:03:36 |94.197.77.xxx| infidel
didn't you notice I referred to islam as an ideolgy not a religion,small wonder I differentiate.As to your tu quoque line of arguement,because one religion/ideology has acted abominably does that mean it's ok for others.How you managed to extrapolate the notion that I espouse any religion defies reason so let me make things clear,I am a rationalist who has no invisible means of support.So how about advancing your arguement without resorting to juvenile insults.The question is why do you consider it anti fascist by defending an ideology that makes nazism look benign

Mister Wong
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